Tuesday, March 10, 2009

Traktion Aftermath

I didn't post the video here, so you may not know what I'm talking about, but recently some kids made a video called Traktion about the fixed-gear scene somewhere in SoCal, and posted it to Vimeo. In the video, which has since been deleted, one of the kids says something about how he "rides a fixed-gear because he loves to ride his bike, and he wishes the poseurs would stay away." Prolly picked up on the little piece of presumptive and exclusionary negativity expressed by the word “poseurs,” and his post attracted a lot of comments lambasting the video makers and the riders depicted.

So now BikeSnob has gotten hold of the "scandal." Well, I don't really get Bike Snob's post. He seems to think that the uproar over the Traktion video shows how elitist and snobbish (the irony!!) the track bike "scene" is. He seems to think that Traktion got slapped down because it was people new to the scene daring to make a video. Hence his side-by-side post of tricks from Macaframa and tricks from Traktion, which was his way of saying "see, the kids in Traktion are doing the same tricks as the kids in Maca, but they're getting hated on because they're noobs!" In my opinion, Bike Snob just doesn’t get it.

In reality, Traktion got slapped down because in the video a kid presumes ownership over fixed-gear cycling, and people reacted against that. The reaction was not, as Bike Snob thinks “who do these kids think they are, making a video of themselves doing tricks?” The reaction was, I think, “who do these kids think they are, talking about poseurs and casting aspersions on other riders, setting themselves up as the arbiters of who is, and who is not, an authentic cyclist, which is particularly ironic because they themselves seem to be pretty new to bikes.” Bike Snob then used his post, which was a misreading, to go off on a tirade against how there isn't a fixed-gear "scene" and it's all a con and a marketing scam to sell hats.

To be generous, I suppose there could be some interesting issues hidden under his unreflexive self-righteousness, like the extent to which forms of activity around which identities coalesce can be co-opted by companies who suddenly see an opportunity to make $$$. But, does commodification really mean the necessary refication of an identity, or is it more complex than that? Do identities formed in a capitalist moment change when they are "co-opted?" If so, how?
I think that, in essence, Bike Snob’s post reproduces a conservative and inherently Romantic notion of identity that depends very much upon a notion of purity, and upon the notion of the degenerative force of capitalism. It’s understandable, to a degree. The Romantic notion of the corrupting influence of bourgeois capitalism is as old as, well, bourgeois capitalism, as is the Romantic notion of a pure and unadultered cultural existence that pertained before the advent of bourgeois capitalism.

All this is not to defend capitalism or capitalist exploitation. In fact, it’s the exact opposite. My point is to suggest that people like Bike Snob can’t conceive of capitalism as a totality, and thus they miss the extent to which it is a force on all forms of practice, including identity formation. They still think there are realms of cultural “purity” that exist outside the structures of capitalism, and so it’s only when Nike, say, decides to jump on the fixed-gear bandwagon that the fixed-gear scene becomes compromised. Yes, companies seek to exploit pre-existing groups and identities. It’s so easy for Nike to sell windbreakers to an exiting “market.” Just learn the cultural codes and shared signs of the “group” and build a marketing approach out of that material. Yes, it’s problematic. But does it mean that a group or an identity or a scene are hopelessly corrupted? Rubbish. The fixed-gear “scene,” to the extent that there even is one coherent scene, is born of capitalism. It’s inherently bound up in the relations of production that has cheap frames made from from Indian steel by migrant workers in Taiwanese factories shipped across the Pacific on Nigerian registered freighters crewed by Indonesian sailors, unloaded by Polish dockers in the United States and bought by kids in SoCal from the "local” bike shop that is financed by a small business loan from a Swiss bank. It’s a totality. We exist within it, and to some degree it shapes (though it doesn’t define) our habitus, our opportunities for action. It seems to me that Bike Snob is a hopeless Romantic, longing for the days of Rousseauian purity, all the while seeing capitalism as something “out there,” something alien. That’s why he uses the word “appropriation” so much, as if things, practices, identities, groups exist beyond capital first, and are only later appropriated by it and thus rendered invalid. Well, I’ve news for you, capitalism is corrupting, but it touches everything, and identities must be formed from within its totality. Maybe those identities are not as explicitly revolutionary as we might like them to be, maybe they’re inherently reactionary, but the point is, they don’t start outside the realm of capital and then get co-opted. They are formed inside the realm of capital. But, even though they are formed inside that realm doesn't mean that they won't or can't seek to move beyond it. An identity or a group or a practice is never one or the other, it’s never outside capital and pure, or inside capital and corrupted. It’s always, to some extent, both. For a theorist like deCerteau, even just walking around the city could be an expression of liberty against the tyranny of the scopic gaze, so why not fixed-gear bikes? Maybe even if the riders are wearing Nike?

53 comments:

dw.bg said...

i can dig it

austin said...

Love posts like this. Too few and far between.

Anonymous said...

See the way I see it is this. The Traktion kids being negative about other people on bikes is wrong, they think they are better. The Macrafarma-rama guys hating on the Traktion kids is just as wrong because they think their opinion of things is better, more important. Bike Snob hating on both of them is wrong, because he thinks his opinion is the end all (although, my personal opinion on BikeSnob is that that person really doesn't give 2 shits about anything, just knows how to write a fairly smart critical blog, but that is neither here nor there). And then, not that I am trying to call you out Simon, just that you put yourself in the chain of the "opinions", you are no more right than the other three. The only people who really are right, are the ones who haven't cared one bit about the matter. The people who go on riding their bikes happily day after day. The kids out on the street making up some crazy trick who won't ever feel like they own it or any part of the scene, just having a good time. ATMO, and for that matter, my opinion doesn't matter either and is no better than the next, I am just another bike rider, people can hate on eachother all they want, just not my deal i guess.

Simon said...

Ben, I hear what you're saying, and maybe there is too much opinion about petty things in the bike scene, but I'm weak! I love spouting off!

Anonymous said...

With posts like these, I often wonder how many bloggers are people with Philosophy degrees/backgrounds

Anonymous said...

See Simon, that's alright too, I feel you, we all do it from time to time, no worries. I wasn't complaining, and didn't mean to bring your post into it, because you really went above and beyond just complaining about complainers...the capitalism tangent was good stuff

No Brakes Bikes said...

Good stuff. I like the idea of Bikesnob being overly romantic. Wishing for the workers(or whichever group of people or drivetrains or cap style he or we are trying to revolutionize) to wake up and realize the scope their discontent with everyday life. A much more personal and effective(or situational) approach would seem to be to just go out and ride?

Anonymous said...

Oh man- this was gold...

thanks Simon...

Anonymous said...

Really? That was the most incoherent piece of garbage that I have read all day.Honestly, I really have no idea where you people come up with this trash.

Fixed-geared "culture" is a joke. Seriously, everyone here is too self-centered to see that this is all just a cut-n-paste bullshit trend. That's it. Nothing more about it. You steal ideas, adjust them a little, then sell it as your own. And when this trend finally catches up to your "culture", you can't take it. It's absolute bullshit.

You and every other hipster are just lemmings without an ounce of creativity amongst your collective frail bodies. Frankly, I see it as a waste. With the resources that are available to each of you, the bast you can do is recycle the work of others. It's pretty sad.

How about you guys stop it with the plagiarism and figure out something for yourselves and contribute to society? You know, like take a stand on an issue rather than just being completely useless.

Anonymous said...

I think Anon missed the point. Actually, the anger in his post tells me that he intentionally missed the point.

Simon, well said.

On that note, I read Bikesnob every day, and as much as I really enjoy his blog, sometimes it seems like he's reaching. Today's post was an example.

Anonymous said...

With all honesty, how "O.G" is any of the Macra guys or any young hipster-in-furious-denial-of-being -a-hipster compared to the Traktion kids? Tom has been riding fixed gear in general for what 24 months? Only about 17 months longer than the kid in Traktion. Yet,Tom's worshiped as a god.

Surely, no young trendy kid has been riding fixed for more than 5 years since nobody even knew what a "fixed gear bike" was five years ago until they saw someone else riding one and like sheep, filed in line to get one.

"look at that hipster...pshhh,thank god I'm not a hipster....uh sure I have the oury grips..the colored tires..the SAG bag..the vans..the skinny jeans..the plaid..the fitted..the all-over-t-shirt..the thick glasses..the V's... but I just want to ride,keep those poseurs away" Aren't we all that kid in Traktion? shop at the same stores, go to the same blogs, buy the same brands. ever wonder why everyone at an alleycat or party all look and act the same?

As for bmx'ers and skaters who've been at it for less than 5 years... do you hear any of them getting cocky?They don't, simply because their standard has been raised miles high, whereas in the fg world, its only a few inches. But it seems in the fg world it doesn't matter how many years you've been riding, or even how old you are whether you're 20 or 60, you're all thrown in one pot, it just matters who did which trick FIRST and managed to throw it on vimeo as a postmark.

So in closure, leave the Traktion kids alone, 90% talking shit are no different. That applies to their bikes and their personality.

G.S.GUCCILIFE said...

I like this guy above........

Jason said...

Peace and love ya'll.

It all looks like a big fuss over nothing!

sorry charlie said...

put that social science degree to work! cash rules everything around me.

j.dot said...

haha! oh-simon...bless your heart. i feel you on wanting to spout-off and applaud it. it's the same sh*t i hear constantly...messenger vs non-messenger...a month from now no one will remember any of it until the next young kid mouths off again and the debate continues it's beautiful cycle...peace.

Unknown said...

Simon, I think you may have fallen into being putty in the hands of the BikeSnob.

A blogger who's whole point is to be cynical and sarcastic wrote a cynical and sarcastic post. That's nothing to get in an uproar about, or anything to dissect.

Your reaction, if I was BikeSnob, would be pure gold. Something else to write about.

Anonymous said...

Simon, with all due respect to your well written, albeit long winded, essay. The bike snob makes a very good point in regards to "fixed gear culture" in that most of it is crap. The borrowed designs, styles and fashions, the kids that whine when they break a bike doing things it was never intended to do, and the f aux hipsters all contribute to this massive collective of borrowed ideas. Absolutely nothing is original in this "scene". The biggest irony is that these kids have latched onto a culture that was minimalist by design and bastardized it into a cash cow money machine for the parts suppliers. Not two years ago you could build a sweet fixed geared bike for virtually nothing, now you can buy a $100,000 fixie off the internet... really? This is a good thing? Just the normal reaction of market forces? No, this is preying upon the weak minded and the sheep of pop culture.

DSTRONG said...

Re: Anonymous @ 12:31pm -

Ignorance like that is useless, except for the fact that it provokes others like me to prove you wrong.

Not sure why you believe everyone who rides a fixed gear is the same and has no other interest or care about other issues in the world. The fact that all these kids are obsessed with bikes means they are (potentially) helping the environment by not obsessing about cars or derailleurs and extra cables and cable housing = resource conservation. byah!

maybe look at the bigger picture: a sub-culture is a response to mainstream culture, and it just doesnt matter that people in a sub-culture are similar--it matters that they are different from mainstream culture in one way or another. that's what brings them together: similarity.

obvi, this is over-generalized/over-simplified. dont worry about it

Unknown said...

Wonderfully written!!!
I am currently sitting in an ad campaign class talking about blogs and if there is any validity in them, and I immediately thought about that foolish video and how prolly and the gang tore it apart, calling out their bluff.
Anyway, let's strive to keep the cycling community a COMMUNITY.
as prolly says, "ride/relax"

Jake said...

God you all?!

Are you so stupid. Lemme repeat what Simon said:

EVERY PIECE of your identity including the proteins of your very genes is a mash-up-- a replication of something that already happened. NONE of us are original, not hipsters, not their parents, not you, not bike snob and certainly not fixed gear bicyclists. So who gives a fuck? Let kids ride colorful bikes, let haters do whatever they do and please, all of you this applies to: stop pretending like any of you are original or different and if you ever feel the need to call out people for being sheep, lemmings or mainstream, just take off your damn shoe and look at the tag which probably reads: "made in China".

Anonymous said...

Nice post. I agree with the false dichotomy between some pure essence of fixieness and the corruption of capitalism. But to end with the idea that identities are both inside and outside capitalism is kind of flattening. What does that mean, really? It's all good? I didn't sense you were heading in that direction when you started talking about relations of production.

So while it's not an inside/outside thing, identities and groups ARE different in their processes of formation and relation to capitalism. You can see that for sure in Seattle, for example: there's a very clear divide between the hipster fixie contingent who work in technology, and the messenger scene. Historically, BSNYC's post is actually pretty accurate even if he does resort to some sweeping gestures. That guy's pretty smart.

Anonymous said...

Hardly anything these days is original, it's just an adaptation of something else... which is fine, that's how things evolve... but it is funny how some people, usually kids** that haven't matured much, think that because they know about it and some of their friends don't, then it's new shit and original... well yes and no on that... but don't be pretentious about it, the O.G.'s of fixed gear are long dead... they left us the pictures, stories, and memories to carry on riding... it wasn't fixed gear vs. bmx vs. road vs. mtb, etc... it was bikes!!! Let's just keep riding!


**note: IMO there are a lot of kids that don't mature enough to see things outside their realm of consciousness... people are too self-centered these days... I Me Mine! We're all looking for recognition in what we do... we all want to be praised for our originality... that's partly the way society made us... take credit, get attention, more success. Right?

Be here now! Just Be!

Things like this are good to bring everyone back to a level plane... to re-evaluate our existence and our place in this world...

this shit made me think... great work!

Anonymous said...

Bike Snob IS smart. He's a great read. And I don't mind that he's poking fun at me because I acknowledge that, yes, some of my tastes are kind of impractical if not absurd. But I don't think he was on point at all with this. To me, it looked like he found an easy angle and ran with it to fill his daily quota. In the end it was a post filled with loose, border-line nonsensical connections.

With that, exploitation will always exist where the opportunity exists, and it will be labeled by the exploiters as opportunity. Some of it, whether we want to admit it or not, is beneficial. And to some extent, the evils of capitalism are the drivers of innovation.

It certainly contrasts the simplicity of the bicycle and to a further extent, fixed gear bikes. Alas, instead of waxing philosophical about it all, go ride your bike. That includes me.

Anonymous said...

A little late on the discussion, but as far as originality of ideas, Jim Jarmusch says it best, "Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is non-existent. And don't bother concealing your thievery -- celebrate it if you feel like it. In any case, always remember what Jean-Luc Godard said: 'It's not where you take things from -- it's where you take them to.'"

wwhhaatt?? said...

Track bike is for all. Where's the love?

Joey Infortuno said...

I caught the Traktion video before it was removed and to be honest, enjoyed it. I also enjoyed BSNYC's post as well as this one... idk, why so serious?

Anonymous said...

Simon, you should watch some of the Jim Cramer/Jon Stewart faceoff from the last few days. You could learn something. Here's a start:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=220288&title=in-cramer-we-trust

Simon said...

Anon at 12.31: You seem to think that "culture" just means "things" and, further, that those "things" have to be original before they can be meaningful. Don't get me wrong, like a lot of contemporary "cultures" I think the fixed-gear scene is built on a (more or less) shared material culture, but "culture" doesn't end with material. There are lots of events and practices that one could, somewhat plausibly, identify as cultural elements of the "fixed-gear scene," like races, group rides, message boards, shared attitudes, etc. (Wow, I sound very "cultural studies" right now.) Anyway, nor can culture be judged by the relatively meaningless term "originality." You seem to exist in the same romantic dreamworld as BikeSnob, fixated on a non-existent purity, in your case of "the original." Things, words, ideas, groups, individuals, all exist in a historical context. What happens "now" always has antecedents. It's how we can understand each other, because we're not each of us inventing a totally "original" language each time we speak, or act. But thanks for your comments. Now, I suggest you seek professional anger-management help.

Anon at 2.06: The point I was making about Traktion didn't really have anything to do with how long they've been riding. I was saying that I personally think it's shitty when any rider holds themselves up as some kind of "authentic" cyclist, and looks down on the so-called "poseurs." It's just bullshit. No one has the right to "own" something like cycling. The fact that these kids aren't riding that long merely adds some irony to the situation, but it's not the defining characteristic.

Cezar: C’mon man, do you really think that BikeSnob is nothing more than an internet troll, hoping to elicit reactions with his blog, and that I fell for it? Seriously? I mean, I don't really like BikeSnob, but even I don't think he's just trolling. I thought the whole Traktion thing was interesting, so I spent a few minutes yesterday morning posting about it. No big deal. I think it’s fun to think and write about stuff like this.

Anon at 10.42: Again, what is this obsession with originality?? You'd swear you were all out there breaking molds, living life in amazingly esoteric ways, creating new art forms and news ways of living, and then popping onto a blog to deride the "weak minded" for their "borrowed ideas." And anyway, you can’t be critical of someone else just because that person is involved in something that isn't 100% original. That’s a little like thinking about practice, or identity, or culture, as if it were art, wherein originality is lauded. But, even art critics long ago realized the importance and validity of borrowing, recycling, etc.

Anon at 12.20: Yeah, I know what you're saying. My post wasn't meant to sound defeatist. It was meant to suggest that critiques of and answers to capitalism will necessarily come from within its own realm. It's not an original idea (sorry, all you fetishizers of originality!) but I meant it to be a bit empowering, I suppose.

Everyone: thanks for the comments!

Anonymous said...

Ben & Cezar got it... the rest of us that 'roll' both fixed & geared, will just have to ride it out (sorry) and wait for the fuss to die down.

And Anon (1), bet you're a lycra roadie and they're the biggest fad following, sheep around. Just take a look at any Sat morning bunch ride to see what I mean.

Personally, I think the hipsters are as annoying as the lycra roadies.

Unknown said...

@simon: I don't think he's solely an internet troll, but I do think his blog and it's popularity is founded in being a snob and being cynical, he had said as much himself.

Most of his content is cynical at things and situations, but every time a group or person comes up, he trolls on them hard.

I think your post was very articulate and thought out, I just think that it's more than the bicycle blog's equivalent of "You just hate America" deserves in response.

ARerreF said...

I really like this post Simon. I agree with a sentiment already mentioned above: keep it coming! The critique of originality as a capitalist fantasy (Original Coca-Cola!) is long overdue within the communicative practices that circulate throughout this nebulous thing called "fixed-gear culture."

Eeberleeber said...

The aspect of fixed gear culture, real or not, that makes it so tempting to satirize is it's involvement with fashion. That fixed gear riding inherently reaches to fit a limited technology to other venues of riding outside the track has elicited serious criticism and poked fun.

In some people's mind, fixed gear bikes outside the track will never be anything but a fashion statement. The utilitarian aspects of fixed gears in the city (less parts to break/steal, easier to lock, etc.) gave way to people using fixed gears for mtbing, racing, touring, and now trick riding. It's hard not to concede that there are bicycle technologies better suited for these kind of riding. This isn't to suggest that applying track-technology to other kinds of riding can't be interesting or fun. But for the most part you're not going to go as fast or as high/rad.

This absurdity is going to offend and affect different people in different ways. And the varying degrees of absurdity (ie. brakes vs no-brakes, uncomfortable geometry/handlebar position, etc.) will only add/detract from their sentiment.

How are many fixed gear riders are really different than the middle-age guys riding $10k pro-level carbon racing bikes? They saw some guy on tv, or vimeo, riding one and thought they looked cool. That some folks are going to get into it out of pure fashion is going to establish a hierarchy of "cred." Can you honestly tell me that a total newb with the out-of-the-box Bianchi Pista (+front-brake) with Chrome-brand knickers and a Urban Velo t-shirt isn't going to elicit some sneers rolling up to a Mishka store pop-up party? And why is that??

A bike culture that excludes based on what brand of frame/parts, how many brakes it has, and how the rider is dressed invites both criticism and satire because it can be hard to see the bike culture through the fashion culture.

I think this is the source of most of BSNYC's pokes at fixed gear culture. It's the fashion of no-brakes, Knog lights, and ridiculously narrow bars. I don't agree that he's "reaching" in his post to convey that.

He just chooses to say that using satire instead of dissertation.

That being said, I enjoy the fixed gear riding I see, whether it's more people on bikes or track frames being tricked to their failure limits. The more this culture is about riding than runway, the better it is and longer it'll endure.

Anonymous said...

Here's something outlandish that popped out of the cereal box:

Has anyone seen that "Stanky Leg" video? Hilarious.

As far as capitalism is concerned, essentially all of our money goes towards causes none of us want to represent - whether that cause is being a "sell out hipster, " or whether it is the crisis in Darfur which is being funded primarily by China, which controls most of the Americas, which control most of the West, which rides mostly Chinese bikes, cars, technology, clothes, pretty much anything you can name. At the end of the day, most of your hard-earned money is fucking people in the ass and you don't even care because it's easy to turn a deaf ear to a sob story when you are gratifying your senses, or your "id" as the West knows it.

Humans have (and always will) created their identities based on what makes them feel "good" - we are hedonists by nature; why do you think it feels so refreshing to take a dump? Therefore, there is no "corrupted" capitalism; all capitalism seeks to gain off other's losses (whatever they may be), and the easiest way to make that happen is to make people feel "good" so they keep their eyes off reality. The interesting dichotomy is that people try to make "more" with giving "less" in such a market system - this never works, as we can tell in our current socio-economic environment with people and corporations that essentially say "fuck taxes and responsibility" but want the freedom to do as they please. Life and freedom are as incompatible as cheese and apple pie, but the West loves to put them together in the microwave at a family dinner whenever we get the chance, if you get my drift.

Cynicism aside, discussing corrupted capitalism as a catalyst for identity circumlocution is as pointless as restating the fact that all humans re-create previous identity archetypes. It's called fractals, mems, what have you; similarities in hedonistic human nature. A gander at hedonism (def. "the pursuit of pleasure; sensual self-indulgence"), then, tells us that a system such as capitalism seeks to exploit not only what "fads" are "in," but to exploit probably our biggest downfall as a species - our inability to manage ourselves relative to the best interest of others. Henceforth, we try to manage each other (like we do on blogs when we are puttin' people on blast, ex: BSNYC) by any means necessary because we are all fundamentally lacking something that someone else's identity is comprised of and we are too scared of reality that we need to constantly "save face" on something as lame, but intriguing, as the internet - a.k.a. we are cynical hypocrites by nature, as this behavior is a defense mechanism that allows us to fabricate a reality that is most pleasing to us, as more often than not we don't examine our own actions.. especially when we feel "good" about ourselves when we are behaving certain ways that we like to see ourselves behave in. We are more prone to edify ourselves in light of our desires and our short-comings than we are to examine and reflect on someone else's reality of our actions. What I sorta call the "negative edification and socialization" of the privileged human condition.

Therefore, what has hitherto been discussed is actually just nonsense in the grand scheme of the world, in the whole cosmos, and least of all the fixie culture - just like this post. It's human nature, but how is human nature going to save your ass at the end of the day? It's not going to; it's going to be someone else that does, and most of the time you'll be too busy looking at your own pile of self to realize, or even thank, someone else in your life.

All this to say, there is nothing wrong with skinny kids, who would get mashed on in real life for calling people "poseurs," acting childish and posting it on the internet. To say there is, is to say that there is something wrong with some youngster grom wanting to be like an experienced fixie rider s/he sees while walking to grammar school - e.g. the same exact individuals we try to scare away from the culture when we discredit their passion for having fun. Is it bad for one of my students to admire Obama? It's called programming; it's how we learn. Nature will run its course and weed out the insecure facets of existence.What there is something wrong with, however, is grown alpha-humans getting their undies in a grundie because they feel like their ids got trampled on by a beta-human on the internet, or that they were somehow "devalued" because noone took the time out to say "Fuck everyone, but YOU are okay in my book."

You ask me, and I say stick to your preserves, jellybelly, because someone is already in your peanut butter, and before you know it you got three people making your sandwich while you're micromanaging someone else, only to find out lunch's been eaten before you get a bite. The lunch bell is ringing; are you going to make your sandwich?

Simon said...

wat

aw said...

Thanks for reminding me, I have 2 PBJs for a snack tonight at work. I heard the lunch bell ringing as I was busy getting ready to leave so I asked my wife to make the sandwiches for me. In return I'll be cleaning the kitchen when I get home.

Anonymous said...

precisely the response he was looking for something other than internet shiat talk. touche, well played

aronmidn said...

there's a lot of truth in both viewpoints... whether right or wrong, bike snob's 'raising the gang plank' analogy is pretty funny and completely undeniable. it happens with anything that goes from underground to mainstream. you, personally, may not be the culprit but some o.g. out there is.

stringa said...

way to keep it real, simon. anarcho-punx with dumb nice track bikes are really fun people to talk about the economics of scale with.

reposted on jitentious.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

This is the worst discussion I've read in a while. Simon, you're over-educated but seriously lacking intellect - you'll do great in academia! The rest of you are seem to be either just dumb enough to think his post was brilliant, or stupid enough not to get it.

stringa said...

@anonymous:

damn, somebody's disillusioned. let me guess, you dropped out of college because you thought working as a barista was realer.

i'm gonna have to disregard this comment until you can say why you feel this way.

Anonymous said...

"They look a little like 'cross tyres to me, and apparently they're extra thick for skidding, because that's how couriers stop their 'fixies.' "

You're right to call out Snob, Simon, because you would never take a satirical stap at the connsumerist nature of your so-called "scene."

Pot meet kettle.

Simon said...

aronmidn: You're right, of course. There are always going to be proprietary assholes and elitists, in any scene.

anon at 1.52: Your comment is ad hominem and completely worthless.

anon at 2.46: Huh? I just think it's funny that BikeRadar use the word "fixie" so much. Way to completely misinterpret a simple post, dude. Haha!

Anonymous said...

"Me? pshh... I'm not a hipster.....but I'm gettin' them new b43's when they come out!... maybe that sag bag too, yea I already got a chrome one but, you know...out with the old in with the new."

-CONSUMERISM

Pretty ironic how we bike to "go green" and save the environment when the average fg rider consumes 10x the amount of resources an average non-fg rider would.

The clothes, the unnecessary swapping of parts for shinier collabo parts. These parts are made in factories, these factories are vomiting tons of waste and crap yet "we're a better alternative to taking a train or bus".Imagine if everyone in NYC didnt take the bus and train and instead rode bikes... can you say traffic congestion?


Riding a bike (fg) saves money...really? spending hundreds if not thousands a year on tires, tubes, fg-specific clothes, phil hubs, sagxMASH collabo bags is helping the environment?

The fools are pumping out these ridiculous goods because somewhere in some shop an idiot, could be someone reading this right now, is buying the new phil 35th anniversary edition 3.5" flange hub and orgasmicly lacing it to the new b43 even though he has a perfectly working set on his bike. So why is he doing it then?

The fixed gear bike is supposed to be bare bones, cheap and easily maintained...so how can someone spend over $2,000-3,000 (and counting) on one? Our society's uncontrollable need to show off how rich we are and how cool we are = CONSUMERISM. So what should we do? Simply stop buying a new rim and hub every year and ride the one you have till it falls off, that could take about 10-15 years ("gasp! I'll be too old and uncool by then! omg") but thats what you get when you buy a "bombproof" hub
Off topic I know.

Josh said...

BikeSnob is the Thoreau of the cycling world's Emerson.

Anonymous said...

Christ. I know it's trollish, but I gotta go with the above poster: education (er, pontification?) =/= intellect. This pseudo-Marxist metaphysics of the zeitgeist is so wrought with missing-the-point, one can only gawk with amazement at its very existence.

Simon said...

Pseudo-Marxist? Now you're just trying to hurt my feelings...

Anonymous said...

HI SIMON WHAT'S GOING ON HERE

Simon said...

Nick:

BikeSnob
Capitalism
Marxism
???
Profit (IRONY)

You know how we do...

Anonymous said...

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I think you are missing the point a bit with Snob's postings. I just don't see him advocating for the "noble savage" cyclist, as you allude to in this post. Instead, Snob seems to focus more on calling out extreme examples of form over function in the cycling context.

It is hard to deny, at least IMHO, that many people who associate themsleves with fixed-gear culture do so as more of a fashion choice, rather than a deep commitment to cycling. Comments sniping at rampant connsumerism and fashion-driven materalisim are not neccessarily intertwined with disregrading the unavodiable impacts of capatilism itself on our daily lives. As many have noted, riding a fixed gear was initially driven by the search for a more minimalist experience. Sure, even those people were still forced to exist within a capitalistic medium to a certain extent. As you note, aren't we all; no matter what we do? However, calling people out for being materialistic and overly concerned with an "image" in the fixed "scene" does not neccessarily ignore that fact.

Fischman said...

It just seems like a waste of energy to try and establish who really "rides their bikes". I've found that the most respectable riders, be it trick or racing, are the ones who focus all of their energy towards doing what they enjoy, not flaming noobs on blogs. And if what they enjoy IS flaming noobs, then f@#k 'em. I've got to have somebody left to hate.

K.A. said...

good post. i didn't read too far into the comments because so many were banal or incendiary.

and yeah, i think the word "hipster" in its everyday usage always smacks of a kind of Rousseauian purity even Rousseau would probably have mocked. so much for "authenticity". lol.

Pistacle Pete said...

I greatly enjoyed your compelling and well-articulated dismantling of the capitalism/authenticity dichotomy, and essentially agree. However, I would softly resurrect a similar dichotomy in suggesting that commodity fetishism actually does distract (and therefore detract) from the enjoyment of track bicycle riding, and there is indeed, actually, an antagonism there at the psychological level.

As right as you are to point out the manner and extent to which we're all shot through with and made up of the capitalist mode of production, the fact is, brother, that after the global proletarian revolution track bikes will probably still be around, and popular imagination will be all the healthier to enjoy them with.

Thanks for the great words! An inspiring post, for sure.

paul mathus said...

Snobs post wasn't a rant about the adulterating touch of capitalism.

It was about the fixed gear "culture" being a fucking pyramid scheme.

It's that simple.